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Subject: Isolated elements
Author: greg NoT a PhD <greg@valkyrie.net>
Date: 29-Aug-2000 18:17:16
i have a force12 c3s that i put a W2AU 1:1 balun on. i used hose clamps to
mount the metal strap that runs down the side of it. there for DC grounding
the driven element now if i take a ohm meter acrossed the driven and boom it
shows direct short.
i modified the balin i carfully drilled drain holes in the side opasit side
of the metal strap becuse it was mounted sideways and i sealed the factory
made drain holes that are near the coax conectore

anyhow it seems to work well i have compaird it to the coax wound balun and
didnt see mutch diffrence in SWR
BTW i do get good signal reports running 100 watts and i do get rain static
when raining hard

greg N8TDL

> Very interesting.
> Can the problem be solved by feeding DE with balun, bonding coax feeding
> balun to boom?
> Am about to erect 3CSXL and been wondering about this.
> 73
> Barry Kirkwood PhD ZL1DD
> Signal Hill Homestay
> 66 Cory Road
> Palm Beach
> Waiheke Island 1240
> NEW ZEALAND
> http://www.waiheke.co.nz/signal.htm/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ww <dj7aa-wil@t-online.de>
> To: Guy Olinger <olinger@bellsouth.net>; Force12T-reflector
> <Force12Talk@qth.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 August, 2000 2:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Force 12 Talk] Isolated elements
>
>
> > Is the driven element also grounded ore isolated?
> >
> > I using this Force 12 Magnum since 5 years, and believe me, I know how
> about
> > i
> > speak.
> > The Yagi I mean (ZX 20m monoband) have grounded driven element with a
> > gamma match for driving. And there are NO static when on the Force12 the
> > S-meter goes constant S9.
> > And, the second 20m monoband Yagi is on a seperate tower, 30m apart from
> > the Force 12 and on top of this tower, so there is no shield ore
anything
> > like
> > this.
> >
> > Wil DJ7AA
> >
> > Guy Olinger schrieb:
> >
> > > Who said that element-center-grounded yagis are not effected by
> > > snow/rain static? Not true.
> > >
> > > Can think of many times when W4BVV's big 40, 20 and 15 yagis (all
center
> > > grounded) got rain and snow static. One time had snow static on 40
> > > meters that was 20 over S9. Couldn't hear anything except the locals
for
> > > over an hour.
> > >
> > > One thing that has been reported, for some with more than one antenna
on
> > > a tower, the top antenna gets noised up more than the lower one(s), as
> > > if the upper one is somehow "shielding" the lower, mechanism unknown.
> > >
> > > - - . . . . . . - - . . . . - - . . - . .
> > >
> > > 73, Guy
> > > k2av@contesting.com
> > > Apex, NC, USA
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wil DJ7AA <dj7aa-wil@t-online.de>
> > > To: Danny <ON7NQ@pandora.be>; Force12T-reflector <Force12Talk@qth.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Force 12 Talk] Isolated elements
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have lots of trouble with these insolated elements. I using Magnum
> > > > 620-340 and every time we get havy rain showers ore snow showers,
> > > > the antenna have very havy static noise, wich is not on a beam with
> > > > center grounded elements. Think this phaenomen is like a Corona
> > > Effect.
> > > > The antenna become useless on this time for receiving.
> > > > I have mostly a seperat 4 ele monobander as second antenna (ZX-Yagi)
> > > > and this antenna does not have this effects.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, a closed quadloop also dont have this effects.
> > > >
> > > > 73 Wil
> > > >
> > > >
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This Thread
  Date   Author  
04-Sep-2000 Will
04-Sep-2000 N2TK
31-Aug-2000 Al Williams
31-Aug-2000 Pete Smith
* 29-Aug-2000 greg NoT a PhD
29-Aug-2000 Barry Kirkwood
29-Aug-2000 ww
29-Aug-2000 Guy K2AV Olinger
29-Aug-2000 Wil DJ7AA
28-Aug-2000 Guy K2AV Olinger
28-Aug-2000 wa4dou@juno.com
28-Aug-2000 Danny
This Author (Aug-2000)
  Subject   Date  
C3S 24-Aug-2000
* Isolated elements 29-Aug-2000