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is a huge investment - time AND money. If you have it, it's worth doing. But you shouldn't sell a child or risk divorce to do it! HI I have both a vertical and a C31XR on a tower. Cost a lot, took a lot of time - LOTS OF FUN! (Both the project and actually using it) I find myself using the vertical when I'm pretty sure it will be adequate - certain skeds, "quick, jump-on operating etc. Also convenient for all bands - just tune around and hit the transmit, whereas yagi only triband for me. Once in awhile I try a pileup a few times with the vertical and lose. After a few times, I say what the heck, switch to the yagi and BOOM! The C3 on a 40 ft tower would be a tremendous combination, but the verticals can be quite effective too. One other little thing to remember is that the sunspots will NOT be increasing anytime soon.... HI Try the vertical - If you find yourself wanting later, then maybe someday you will end up with OTH! ------------------------------------------------------------ John - WA9ALS - VP5RY (2001) VP5 photos: http://www.qsl.net/wa9als/vp5photos.htm email: wa9als@starband.net homepage: http://www.wa9als.com logbook: http://www.qsl.net/wa9als/search.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Bohrer" <N7QY@ARRL.net> To: <Force12Talk@qth.com> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Force 12 Talk] F12 Verticals > > Jason, > I have the F-12 Sigma GT-5. > It is not worth $3,000 for the beam unless you are an avid DX hound. > If so, you would find it frustrating to be constantly beaten out by > the big guns. However, 'beaten out' just means you have to wait your > turn. If you can hear 'em, you can work 'em with the S-5. > > Here's the basic trade-offs.... > Poor propagation, the S-5 may not work them whereas the beam might. > Pile-ups, the S-5 will have to wait its turn. The DX can hear you, > but they usually accept the loudest sigs. That will not be you. > You have to tune around a lot. If you are the first two or three > stations to hear the DX, you got it made. Once the pile-up starts, > may as well start tuning again. > The S-5 is max convenient. No tuning or setup required. It is > portable. 5 minute take down or put up, literally. No radials. No > traps. Just a simple, effective radiator. It works on balconies and > near objects. After all, it is just a dipole standing on end. > > email me for details. > Ted N7QY > > > >Hi guys, > > > >I have been contemplating putting up a tower. However, the trouble with > >getting the permit, cost, XYL, property value concerns, etc are taking its > >toll. I am looking for alternatives. My original intent was to install a > >40' Trylon Tower with a C3S on top. However, I am willing to take a > >vertical for a spin. My previous experience with a vertical was with the > >GAP Eagle DX. Boy that was a miserable time. Of course, operator error may > >have caused that problem (a bad soldering job at the coax connector which > >was my fault). Anyways, with the money it would take to install the tower, > >I could have the Sigma 5 bander AND the 40 meter version. I already have a > >place that I can put the 40 Meter version (from when I had the GAP). I > >could do the 5 gallon bucket thing for the 5 bander. With the extra cash > >left over, I could get a K2 AND a K1!! (plus a new rig for the car...) > > > >My question is directed to those who have the F12 verticals and your > >experience with them. I know it would be difficult to compare a C3S and a > >vertical. But what would I be missing? Is it worth 3000.00 to go with a > >beam? > > > >Also, my site would dictate that the vertical would be about 8 feet from a > >tree and about 30 feet from my house (with aluminum siding). It would also > >be about 8 feet from a fence. Am I asking for trouble? I would have to > >install the vertical about 8 feet off of the ground. I am also installing a > >WindowHSQ in the trees as well. > > > >Sorry for so many questions... > > > >Thanks for the time!! > > > >Jason Hissong > >N8XE > > > >P.S. The coax connector problem was that there was not a good solder joint > >between the shield of the coax going into the GAP Eagle and the shield of > >the coax going into the shack. I found out about this later when I sold the > >GAP to another ham and the coax connector fell off when he was unscrewing > >the coax. The shield in the coax of the antenna was black. He resoldered > >the connection and then installed the antenna and he loves to tell me how > >well it is working :) His site is worst than mine as his antenna is in > >between two houses with aluminum siding!!! 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